Tail Rot??

[Hdrydr31]

Oh boy. Here we go again. Now I am in trouble.

PatsyB. Astringents' will dry up the area and make the area more "brittle" IMO so I'm not sure when you said you never knew it had astringent properties and went on to say to use it. That's why I don't think I'm qualified!

In her post she did say to clean with a betadine/water solution then put the neosporine on to keep it moist..
I agree with her as there really is nothing else to cleanse the would that won't burn/irritate the dragon..it's just to clean the tail then dry off and place ointment at least until it get's seen by a vet. As a wound care person myself this is what I would have done..

 

[PatsyB]

Oh boy. Here we go again. Now I am in trouble.

PatsyB. Astringents' will dry up the area and make the area more "brittle" IMO so I'm not sure when you said you never knew it had astringent properties and went on to say to use it. That's why I don't think I'm qualified!

Well now you got me thinking! It's always been widely recommended in the reptile world to use diluted Betadine for wound cleansing. Peroxide and rubbing alcohol could kill the dragon (just look at the lady that just got arrested for cutting her dragons tail off and pouring rubbing alcohol on it) so what do we clean it with then. Could it be possible that because you are diluting it to make it look like a very weak tea, that it cuts the astringent properties and then by putting an ointment on right after the soak that that also stops it from being so drying?

It's an interesting topic, maybe Bobbi can ask the vet what should be used. I also recently read that Neosporin is not good to use on wounds because it can slough away the scales, vets are recommending silver solution instead.

 

[lazer]

In her post she did say to clean with a betadine/water solution then put the neosporine on to keep it moist..
I agree with her as there really is nothing else to cleanse the would that won't burn/irritate the dragon..it's just to clean the tail then dry off and place ointment at least until it get's seen by a vet. As a wound care person myself this is what I would have done..

 

[lazer]

Just curious. What field are you in?

B.D. Literature says H2O2 but that's frowned upon. Most wound care centers and specialists use NSS as it cleans and doesn't burn at all.

I ended off saying that I certainly don't specialize in Reptilian care.

I read PatsyB's post as "using Betatine" after saying
she didn't realize it was an astringent so I apologize.

 

[lazer]

I was under the impression that the tail would be soaked in the solution.

If not, to cleanse the wound with Betadine followed by Normal Saline Solution would work as long as that area is not exposed to Betadine for that long. Your dealing with VERY thin tissue. Betadine has been banned in many institutions due to destroying deeper tissue even though it promotes granulation tissue Thus the controversy!

 

[Hdrydr31]

Occupational Therapy, Spinal cord injuries and brain injuries, dealing with all sorts of wounds varying from traumatic to bed sores.
Every situation is going to be different, and the crossover to the reptile side can be complicated. What we are trying to do is to do what is needed to help until this dragon is able to get to the reptile vet.. Doing something is better than doing nothing until it is seen, keeping it as clean as possible giving that it's a dragon and they slide thru their bowel movements is of concern.
None of us have said we are reptile specialists so it's for Bobbi to use their best judgement on what to do in the meantime. Hopefully it is just stuck shed or a pinched tail section that in time will fall off like the tip of mine did.
I am sure that in the end Bobbi will fill us in on what the vet said so that we can all add that info into our knowledge base for any future situation.
we all just want this little one to heal up and yep thus the controversy

 

[lazer]

And this is why I love this forum, we welcome any and all advise from our members as this is how we learn.. After all we are all here so we can help our scaly friends.
Good advise Lazer knowledge is power Thank you!

I am so sorry. I haven't been able to get to the computer from my last post and so I never saw this.

Hdrydr31. Thank you so much for your acknowledgement. You have NO IDEA how far that went for me.

Maybe I will discuss the reason another time because I would like to try to stick around here for as long as I can (if all is well).

 

[Bobbi]

We used diluted betadine and silver solution. The vet said that was fine and kept it from spreading further up the tail. As of right now, Bayne is in surgery to have that section of the tail removed. Will update soon

 

[Hdrydr31]

We used diluted betadine and silver solution. The vet said that was fine and kept it from spreading further up the tail. As of right now, Bayne is in surgery to have that section of the tail removed. Will update soon

Oh soo glad to hear that what was suggested was good and that it kept it from going any further. . Sorry to hear that he had to under go a surgery but in the end Bayne will be healthy..
Please keep us posted!! how long before you'll know anything

 

[Hdrydr31]

@Bobbi how is Bayne??

 

[PatsyB]

Yeah, how's Bayne? Glad to hear that the infection didn't spread further.

 

[Bobbi]

Sorry it took so long for me to reply. Bayne did great and the surgery went well. The doc put two tiny stitches at the end of his tail and he's on pain medication for three days. He has to go back in ten to have them removed. He woke right up and was 110% himself. He had one heck of an appetite last night as well.

 

[Bobbi]

Will post some better ones later

 

[Hdrydr31]

YEA!!!!!! Soooo glad to hear that Bayne is doing well!!!

 

[lazer]

Will post some better ones laterView attachment 13991

GREAT JOB. I'm so happy for you and the little guy. You made my day.

Good surgeon. Area looks nice and clean.

Your Beardie should live a good long healthy life with many years of enjoyment for both of you!

 

[Bobbi]

GREAT JOB. I'm so happy for you and the little guy. You made my day.

Good surgeon. Area looks nice and clean.

Your Beardie should live a good long healthy life with many years of enjoyment for both of you!

Thank you! I sure hope so! He stole my heart the minute I saw him.

 

[Hdrydr31]

Thank you! I sure hope so! He stole my heart the minute I saw him.

They do have a tendency to wiggle into our hearts that's for sure! That look they give you lol I know Izzy stole my heart when I was watching her run around the tank at Petco chasing crickets. lol

I'm glad that he is doing well and that the vet was able to save the rest of his tail.. just makes them more adorable with their oddities.

 

[lazer]

EXACTLY. That's what it is. They do in fact steal one's heart.

A MUCH better way than saying that they are very endearing.

When my son gave his (and what is now mine) B.D. to me I had never seen or heard of one. But it only took about a week and I haven't looked back once since then!

 

[lazer]

Wait until tomorrow please. The URL was wrong.

 

[lazer]

You are right on! Don't put yourself down You are a doctor and have experience with certain medications that do carry over into the reptile world. I always say Betadine but hope that people would see the generic and the huge price difference and do some bottle reading and see the generic is the same exact thing. Especially when you are buying the something to have on hand just in case of emergency and may never use it. The same goes for Neosporin, generic version is just fine.
Good catch Lazer!

PatsyB, Check this out. My hat goes off to you.

http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2003/july/Clewlow/Vet-History-Review.html

The truth is, I sort of felt, at least with wound care, Betadine is going to work the same on most soft tissue. But since I wasn't sure, I didn't want to commit.

Read the end of the last paragraph in the above article. I had this information last week along with what my experience as a Podiatrist has been specifically in the area of wound care just in case it may apply here. It's just waiting to be edited. In the mean time, as always, PatsyB, you were right!