my beardie puked this morning and im very concerned.

[r4cksonp4cks]

ive had my beardie since i was very young and she hasnt recieved good care her entire life so id like to get that out of the way. at one point in her life she barely got any uvb.

today i picked her up and she threw up on me. she hadnt drank water recently or eaten. about an hour later i saw the same stuff she puked bubbling out of her nose. the puke was mostly clear with a brown fluid in it.

what do i do besides take her to the vet?

i read a forum posting similar to this the person took their beardie to the vet and it turned out to be a fatty liver. the treatment was no meals just juice for a week. i dont think im necessarily having the same issue but it seemed similar.

i will be absolutely heart broken if my beloved bearded dragon spike succumbs to this illness and i dont know ill be able to take her to the vet.

her vivarium was infested with black widows so shes been living in my room with a lamp above a plate, so she couldve eaten something in my room or outside.(obviously very unideal)

what can i and what should i do?

 

[r4cksonp4cks]

i forgot to add this but she hybernated from november until late feb and hasnt had any greenery since coming out of hybernation which i know sounds terrible but now when i giver her mealworm salad she cherrypicks the worms.

 

[Skybug]

Well for one, can you go over your lighting with us? Thats the life line of a lizard, absolutely NO compact coil bulbs, these bulbs offer little to no uvb/uva mealworms can be hard to digest, especially coming right out of brumation , try ordering some bsfl (black Soldier fly larva) these dont have hard exoskeletons and are packed with calcium so you dont need to dust them, and are far healthier than fatty worms, secondly please get the black widows out of the enclosure, get a broom and a good wacking stick, ive been picking up black widows since i was 4 (not that I recommend that) they’re really easy to relocate if you dont want to kill them, just get a 3 foot stick and youll be fine.

 

[Nero]

Did there appear to be undigested food chunks in it? I've had this situation happen before, if you feed your beardie too late it wont get enough time to bask and digest before you turn the lights off. Which causes it to throw up, usually after overeating too. Hydrate your lizard with a spoon and water and clean up the vomit so it doesn't try to re-eat it. And also remove the black widows and relocate the terrarium.

If the vomit has no food in it, find a vet. And based on the bubbling factor, take it to a vet anyways.

 

[Sadie]

ive had my beardie since i was very young and she hasnt recieved good care her entire life so id like to get that out of the way. at one point in her life she barely got any uvb.

today i picked her up and she threw up on me. she hadnt drank water recently or eaten. about an hour later i saw the same stuff she puked bubbling out of her nose. the puke was mostly clear with a brown fluid in it.

what do i do besides take her to the vet?

i read a forum posting similar to this the person took their beardie to the vet and it turned out to be a fatty liver. the treatment was no meals just juice for a week. i dont think im necessarily having the same issue but it seemed similar.

i will be absolutely heart broken if my beloved bearded dragon spike succumbs to this illness and i dont know ill be able to take her to the vet.

her vivarium was infested with black widows so shes been living in my room with a lamp above a plate, so she couldve eaten something in my room or outside.(obviously very unideal)

what can i and what should i do?

It sounds like he aspirated the water--- try having him at an angle so the water can drip out of his mouth --- proper basking temps in the tank are a ABSOLUTE along w/ good UVB -- these are the TWO MOST important things in the tank - they control the over all health and behavior of the dragon ----- please tell me how old is the dragon? what are the basking temps and how are you taking them ? NO stickons please ---- you need a digital probe thermometer and they need to do 95-100 for a juvie/ adult dragon----you need a bright white basking bulb NO colored bulbs --- UVB ? what are you using NO coils they are NO good --- you need long tube fixture for a 40 + gallon tank --- once we establish the lighting and get it corrected we will need to figure out what is going on w/ the puking part --- but you lighting in that tank is going to play a huge role in getting him healthy ----- what is the diet your feeding him? Please post a pic of his poop -- is he pooping and is it real runny or does it have form? Can you please explain this

her vivarium was infested with black widows so shes been living in my room with a lamp above a plate, so she couldve eaten something in my room or outside.(obviously very unideal)

 

[r4cksonp4cks]

Well for one, can you go over your lighting with us? Thats the life line of a lizard, absolutely NO compact coil bulbs, these bulbs offer little to no uvb/uva mealworms can be hard to digest, especially coming right out of brumation , try ordering some bsfl (black Soldier fly larva) these dont have hard exoskeletons and are packed with calcium so you dont need to dust them, and are far healthier than fatty worms, secondly please get the black widows out of the enclosure, get a broom and a good wacking stick, ive been picking up black widows since i was 4 (not that I recommend that) they’re really easy to relocate if you dont want to kill them, just get a 3 foot stick and youll be fine.

its an 80$ mercury vapor don’t remember what its called and i replace evey 6 months and it came highly recommended by enthusiasts. i used to collect black widows the problem is more the fact that theres thousands of them. ive seen atleast 8 egg sacks all of them hatched. i now see tiny black widows everywhere in the house even though i sealed off the tank. they invaded the cage because it was bioactive and a huge food source so the problem will probably repeat itself. but ill be clearing the cage i just havent figured out how ill be taking care of widows.

i dont know the actual temp of the basking area but i make sure the bulb is within 6” of her basking area and put my hand down on her basking spot and feel how hot it is and it is usually obviously above 90.

she is 8-9.

 

[r4cksonp4cks]

so i can and should feed her?

ive been giving her water twice a day now. i read something about a similar problem and the beardie was taken to the vet and was diagnosed with a fatty liver and she received juice for a week after.

i was thinking of trying the juice.

 

[Sadie]

its an 80$ mercury vapor don’t remember what its called and i replace evey 6 months and it came highly recommended by enthusiasts. i used to collect black widows the problem is more the fact that theres thousands of them. ive seen atleast 8 egg sacks all of them hatched. i now see tiny black widows everywhere in the house even though i sealed off the tank. they invaded the cage because it was bioactive and a huge food source so the problem will probably repeat itself. but ill be clearing the cage i just havent figured out how ill be taking care of widows.

i dont know the actual temp of the basking area but i make sure the bulb is within 6” of her basking area and put my hand down on her basking spot and feel how hot it is and it is usually obviously above 90.

she is 8-9.

Are you getting rid of the spiders? The mvb is what brand? Look on the bulb and what wattage?? These bulbs need to be certain distances they need to be - BUT FIRST you need a digital probe thermometer this is a MUST!! My guess is the basking temp and UVB are incorrect- basking temps need to be 95-100 and most mvb do not put out enough UVB rays- so it's always recommended another uvb added

 

[Sadie]

so i can and should feed her?

ive been giving her water twice a day now. i read something about a similar problem and the beardie was taken to the vet and was diagnosed with a fatty liver and she received juice for a week after.

i was thinking of trying the juice.

I am not a vet - fatty liver will have symptoms but I am unsure as to what they are- if she's eating those spiders my guess is they are making her sick- I would mover her out of the house and have the house fumagated to kill them all - sounds like they are infesting now

 

[r4cksonp4cks]

Are you getting rid of the spiders? The mvb is what brand? Look on the bulb and what wattage?? These bulbs need to be certain distances they need to be - BUT FIRST you need a digital probe thermometer this is a MUST!! My guess is the basking temp and UVB are incorrect- basking temps need to be 95-100 and most mvb do not put out enough UVB rays- so it's always recommended another uvb added

it definitely puts out uvb i don’t remember brand or wattage i believe its a 100w repti sun(could be very wrong about brand) . i do remember the diagram on package that told me the correct distance for different amounts of uvb and i remember it being fine as long as it was in 12” and preferably within 6-8. ill buying one of those thermometers.

yes ill be getting rid of spiders its just hard to fined a good method. i was first going to use dry ice to suffocate them because moving a 6 foot tank out of my room will be difficult or drowning them but im unconfident in dry ice method because ive frozen widows before and they come back alive and the bottom of the tank has cracks in it i think. this week ill be taking care of them.

she goes outside on warm days so shes been going outside all day in garden the past 2 weeks.

while i dont measure the temp im pretty confident its in the basking range however is it possible she puked because she was going outside so much and was getting less of her lamp those days?

 

[Sadie]

it definitely puts out uvb i don’t remember brand or wattage i believe its a 100w repti sun(could be very wrong about brand) . i do remember the diagram on package that told me the correct distance for different amounts of uvb and i remember it being fine as long as it was in 12” and preferably within 6-8. ill buying one of those thermometers.

yes ill be getting rid of spiders its just hard to fined a good method. i was first going to use dry ice to suffocate them because moving a 6 foot tank out of my room will be difficult or drowning them but im unconfident in dry ice method because ive frozen widows before and they come back alive and the bottom of the tank has cracks in it i think. this week ill be taking care of them.

she goes outside on warm days so shes been going outside all day in garden the past 2 weeks.

while i dont measure the temp im pretty confident its in the basking range however is it possible she puked because she was going outside so much and was getting less of her lamp those days?

Well the basking temps and UVB are the most important things in the tank- you need that probe- it's hard to keep temps / uvb correct w/ a mvb-- you don't want to sacrifice one w/ another- I the garden do you know if she ate something out there upsetting the stomach?

 

[r4cksonp4cks]

okay so a 20 long is way too small to keep her in for entire days at a time but would this be a better situation then what i have now? she basks on a plate 6” from lamp and can wander in my room and then i place her in a 30 gallon tote with a towl next to my bed to sleep in .

 

[r4cksonp4cks]

Well the basking temps and UVB are the most important things in the tank- you need that probe- it's hard to keep temps / uvb correct w/ a mvb-- you don't want to sacrifice one w/ another- I the garden do you know if she ate something out there upsetting the stomach?

i really cant say. i realize saying that opens the floodgates to allot of possible problems shes been going outside in the garden for quite a fee years with no issue thd only thing even growing in the garden this time of year is grass and weeds.

 

[r4cksonp4cks]

okay so i think i found something important. last night she pooped and it was normal but she wasnt able to finish i could tell by the way she was holding herself. now her vent looks enlarged and will i gently pulled back the skin around her vent there was some mucusy fluid so i think shes trying to pass something. can i have some tips on what to do to help her pass something?

lots of basking, water, and ruffage would be my guess?

 

[Sadie]

i really cant say. i realize saying that opens the floodgates to allot of possible problems shes been going outside in the garden for quite a fee years with no issue thd only thing even growing in the garden this time of year is grass and weeds.

Yeah I don't know- are you looking at getting another tank? Is the 20 gallon a spare and the other tank the bio tank? I would get the bio tank cleaned out and put in some textured NON adhesive shelf liner for now-- you need to get rid of the spiders- your going to need to start over but first thing is getting rid of the spiders--- can you take her to a friend's / relatives for now-- you can put her in the 20 gallon if she spends a good time outside- that should not bother her if she's getting outside time

 

[Sadie]

okay so i think i found something important. last night she pooped and it was normal but she wasnt able to finish i could tell by the way she was holding herself. now her vent looks enlarged and will i gently pulled back the skin around her vent there was some mucusy fluid so i think shes trying to pass something. can i have some tips on what to do to help her pass something?

lots of basking, water, and ruffage would be my guess?

Get her some canned pumpkin unsweetened applesauce or baby prunes natural laxatives- feed her those till she passes it--- shes eaten something from outside I am thinking- water will help as well

 

[r4cksonp4cks]

thank you so much for the advice ill be trying that but how do i get her to eat that stuff without forcing her to? she doesnt even eat salad unless theres live food on it. she used to eat greenery like a champ but i have to ween her off insects for 2 weeks for her to go back to greenery and i cant deprive her of that much food. the bio tank is a 6ft by 2ft i just have a bunch of spare 20g tanks because i breed fish for profit.

 

[Sadie]

thank you so much for the advice ill be trying that but how do i get her to eat that stuff without forcing her to? she doesnt even eat salad unless theres live food on it. she used to eat greenery like a champ but i have to ween her off insects for 2 weeks for her to go back to greenery and i cant deprive her of that much food. the bio tank is a 6ft by 2ft i just have a bunch of spare 20g tanks because i breed fish for profit.

You may haft to force feed if you haft to put a couple of drops of raw unpasteurized honey on it to see if she will lick -- they like pumpkin and honey

 

[Earls MUM]

ive had my beardie since i was very young and she hasnt recieved good care her entire life so id like to get that out of the way. at one point in her life she barely got any uvb.

today i picked her up and she threw up on me. she hadnt drank water recently or eaten. about an hour later i saw the same stuff she puked bubbling out of her nose. the puke was mostly clear with a brown fluid in it.

what do i do besides take her to the vet?

i read a forum posting similar to this the person took their beardie to the vet and it turned out to be a fatty liver. the treatment was no meals just juice for a week. i dont think im necessarily having the same issue but it seemed similar.

i will be absolutely heart broken if my beloved bearded dragon spike succumbs to this illness and i dont know ill be able to take her to the vet.

her vivarium was infested with black widows so shes been living in my room with a lamp above a plate, so she couldve eaten something in my room or outside.(obviously very unideal)

what can i and what should i do?

Spray vinegar on the black windows as it kills them.

 

[DoraTheExplorer]

okay so i think i found something important. last night she pooped and it was normal but she wasnt able to finish i could tell by the way she was holding herself. now her vent looks enlarged and will i gently pulled back the skin around her vent there was some mucusy fluid so i think shes trying to pass something. can i have some tips on what to do to help her pass something?

lots of basking, water, and ruffage would be my guess?

I'm from Scotland so can't help with the spider situ

I can't give any better advice re her environment than what you've been given already

What I can offer help with is that she is struggling to pass something ~ she may have an impaction ~ my suggestion would be to put her in a deeper than usual warm bath & a gentle stomach massage, also try the baby food/canned pumpkin options if she will eat ~ this may help her go to the toilet

Is she still using her back legs normally?

Good luck with her & your spider situ

Kx