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Dubia Roach colony question

Bluesky1019

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I have been getting ready to start my dubia roach colony when a question came up. Since my Beardie is still young, if I start a colony, and the roaches get too big for him too eat, what do you do with the over sized ones? And is there a way to keep them smaller until he grows?
 

Skybug

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I have been getting ready to start my dubia roach colony when a question came up. Since my Beardie is still young, if I start a colony, and the roaches get too big for him too eat, what do you do with the over sized ones? And is there a way to keep them smaller until he grows?
the ones that get to big i leave alone so they can mature into adults so you can have more babies, how big is ur beardie? Around the 8th month mark my beardie was eating adult sized roaches with no problem, there really isnt a way to keep them small, unless you keep the bin for them cold(but thats not good for the female roaches)
 

Bluesky1019

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the ones that get to big i leave alone so they can mature into adults so you can have more babies, how big is ur beardie? Around the 8th month mark my beardie was eating adult sized roaches with no problem, there really isnt a way to keep them small, unless you keep the bin for them cold(but thats not good for the female roaches)
My Beardie is still pretty young and In the next few months he should definitely be able to eat the bigs ones. And that’s a good idea, hopefully if they mature It will be easier for them to breed. Thank you!
 

Beardomania

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I have been getting ready to start my dubia roach colony when a question came up. Since my Beardie is still young, if I start a colony, and the roaches get too big for him too eat, what do you do with the over sized ones? And is there a way to keep them smaller until he grows?
Kill them. Kill them immediately with fire before they grow too big and overthrow you! No successful Dubia colony has any adults or large roaches. Breed just a tub full of babies because as we all know, adult roaches give birth to adult roaches and babies give birth to babies.

I'm just kidding. This just seems such an odd question to me; adult females are the cream of the crop and the buttress of any roach colony. Increasing the adult female count should be your primary goal in establishing a colony and as a matter of fact, if you're starting from a bunch of little roaches, if you want a colony, you won't be able to feed out of them (except for extra males) for over a year because you need them to grow, mature, have kids, then to have their kids grow mature, have kids and then the third generation to get to an inch or so before you have a healthy population of adult females to keep a colony strong despite the feedings. In the meantime, you can always feed off extra adult males since it's generally inadvisable to have more than 1 male to 3 females.

Dubiacolony.com calculates that in order to sustainably feed your beardie 7 roaches a day, you need a colony of:
1,178+ = 35+ Adult Females, 15+ Males, 217+ XL, 217+ L, 217+ Medium, 217+ Small, 260+ XSmall.
My Beardie is still pretty young and In the next few months he should definitely be able to eat the bigs ones.
It would never be wise to feed the biggest ones to a bearded dragon because the most massive ones are always female and 1. you need them to breed; losing one is like losing hundreds of babies and 2. they're pretty big and hard even for an adult beardie and always feeding that size with the semi-armor of the adult females you are running the risk of impaction. If it happens once or twice accidentally like it did to another member, it's ok but always feeding the biggest females to your beardie is risky to its health and will definitely destroy your colony.

On the other hand, you can always fee off the extra (however many males you have after you count out 1 per 4 females) softer smaller (but not necessarily shorter) males without any detriment to your colony.
And that’s a good idea, hopefully if they mature It will be easier for them to breed. Thank you!
Being mature is the only way they can breed. Are you under some misconception that juvenile roaches can breed but less efficiently than adults? They're not like mammals/humans.
 

Bluesky1019

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Kill them. Kill them immediately with fire before they grow too big and overthrow you! No successful Dubia colony has any adults or large roaches. Breed just a tub full of babies because as we all know, adult roaches give birth to adult roaches and babies give birth to babies.

I'm just kidding. This just seems such an odd question to me; adult females are the cream of the crop and the buttress of any roach colony. Increasing the adult female count should be your primary goal in establishing a colony and as a matter of fact, if you're starting from a bunch of little roaches, if you want a colony, you won't be able to feed out of them (except for extra males) for over a year because you need them to grow, mature, have kids, then to have their kids grow mature, have kids and then the third generation to get to an inch or so before you have a healthy population of adult females to keep a colony strong despite the feedings. In the meantime, you can always feed off extra adult males since it's generally inadvisable to have more than 1 male to 3 females.

Dubiacolony.com calculates that in order to sustainably feed your beardie 7 roaches a day, you need a colony of:
1,178+ = 35+ Adult Females, 15+ Males, 217+ XL, 217+ L, 217+ Medium, 217+ Small, 260+ XSmall.

It would never be wise to feed the biggest ones to a bearded dragon because the most massive ones are always female and 1. you need them to breed; losing one is like losing hundreds of babies and 2. they're pretty big and hard even for an adult beardie and always feeding that size with the semi-armor of the adult females you are running the risk of impaction. If it happens once or twice accidentally like it did to another member, it's ok but always feeding the biggest females to your beardie is risky to its health and will definitely destroy your colony.

On the other hand, you can always fee off the extra (however many males you have after you count out 1 per 4 females) softer smaller (but not necessarily shorter) males without any detriment to your colony.

Being mature is the only way they can breed. Are you under some misconception that juvenile roaches can breed but less efficiently than adults? They're not like mammals/humans.
Ok to start thank you so much for the help! And yes I do understand it was quite the stupid question but I've never bred bugs before haha. One last question though. I have found dubia roach colony kits online, are those reliable or should be buying each kund of dubia separtely?
 

Beardomania

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Ok to start thank you so much for the help! And yes I do understand it was quite the stupid question but I've never bred bugs before haha. One last question though. I have found dubia roach colony kits online, are those reliable or should be buying each kund of dubia separtely?
They're reliable but they're slow. It'll take you 12-18 months before they are stable enough to feed from. You should be looking on your local Craisglist to see if you can get whole colonies, equipment and all from people who want to dump them because they're exiting the reptile hobby. I got my colony for $40 from a local guy who wanted to get rid of them, bin and all with basically over 200 adult/subadult females in it and way enough males. I immediately took out all the extra males leaving a 1:4 ratio and them sold 90 females and some of those extra males (as breeder starter packs) for $140 the next day. Craigslist post literally sold out in one day. I have 1 adult beardie and I plan to feed him 1 subadult male roach per day so I don't need such a large colony. So in essence, I got an appropriately-sized colony for -$100. That's the best case scenario. If that's not happening, find guys selling established colonies for more reasonable prices rather than dumping prices. For example I have a guy now in my local area selling a colony with ~400 adults (males and females counted in estimate) that are currently producing babies in a 50 gallon tote but he wants $150. That's not a killer price but that's way better than what you can get online via colony kits especially because you can start feeding from it now rather than a year from now. If you also have only 1 beardie, then you can sell starter breeder packs out of it (something like 4 males, 16 females for $25) and get your money back. If you can't find either, then I'd wait or I'd search in the closest large city on Craigslist. Waiting a few weeks or 2 months or driving a few hours to save a year's worth of cultivation is a good deal as far as I'm concerned.
 

Bluesky1019

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They're reliable but they're slow. It'll take you 12-18 months before they are stable enough to feed from. You should be looking on your local Craisglist to see if you can get whole colonies, equipment and all from people who want to dump them because they're exiting the reptile hobby. I got my colony for $40 from a local guy who wanted to get rid of them, bin and all with basically over 200 adult/subadult females in it and way enough males. I immediately took out all the extra males leaving a 1:4 ratio and them sold 90 females and some of those extra males (as breeder starter packs) for $140 the next day. Craigslist post literally sold out in one day. I have 1 adult beardie and I plan to feed him 1 subadult male roach per day so I don't need such a large colony. So in essence, I got an appropriately-sized colony for -$100. That's the best case scenario. If that's not happening, find guys selling established colonies for more reasonable prices rather than dumping prices. For example I have a guy now in my local area selling a colony with ~400 adults (males and females counted in estimate) that are currently producing babies in a 50 gallon tote but he wants $150. That's not a killer price but that's way better than what you can get online via colony kits especially because you can start feeding from it now rather than a year from now. If you also have only 1 beardie, then you can sell starter breeder packs out of it (something like 4 males, 16 females for $25) and get your money back. If you can't find either, then I'd wait or I'd search in the closest large city on Craigslist. Waiting a few weeks or 2 months or driving a few hours to save a year's worth of cultivation is a good deal as far as I'm concerned.
that sounds like a great deal! and your right I should get an established colony, quicker time. Thanks for the tip!
 

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