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Think I finally got it right!

Musicmanslady

Juvenile Dragon
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Ok so I apologize for asking so many questions earlier! For background, my daughter took her sons (10 and 8 at the time) to Pet Smart for a pet they were begging for. 8 yr old got a Syrian hamster...easy easy pet. Older grandson loves reptiles so my daughter asked the guy what would be the easiest and healthiest reptile to care for. Guy said, I quote, "oh bearded dragons are the easiest. They live 12 to 15 years and you really dont have to do much of anything for them. Just buy this and this and this and you are all set. Feed them live crickets and offer vegetables and water. Well, we love reptiles so we did a lot of research on how to feed, calcium dusting, gut loading insects, etc. He was in a 40 gallon cage and they said that is the biggest cage hell ever need. He was about 2 or 3 months when they got him. They sold her a deep dome dual fixture with 75 watt heat bulb and the coil uvb. More research...we got a reptisun t5 5.0 . Well, he ate 50 to 60 crickets A DAY and would only eat live food, not the crap food they sell in the pet store. Upgraded to a 100 watt zoo med basking spot lamp. Got a single deep dome and got rid of the uvb coil, just use the t5 now. Turned a year in Dec. He is now in a 4'x 2' x2' which is about all that fits on the dressertop. He needed solid substrate because repti carpet wasnt working. Upgraded to a reptisun t5 high output 10.0 24" size. Needed 2 stick on themometers for ambient temps on warm and cool side. Needed a hide. Has a tree which he absolutely LOVES and will not give up! We are using a zoo med reptil basking lamp 150 watts. He has a water dish and a food dish for his veggies. He only gets organic collard greens, organic mustard or turnip greens, celery leaves as a little treat, red bell peppers, butternut and other squashes. His crickets are always calcium dusted but he has a new favorite...silkworms! They come in a can and he gobbles them even though theu are not a living insect. Mealworms are only an occasional treat and they are calcium dusted too. Cant do dubias because daughter cant get past the roach name. He is a nice size dragon, calm and happy and adjusting slowly to his larger enclosure. Ordered a new background for the outside back surface of his tank. Going out to store today to get him a probe thermometer and prob a solarmeter too. Have tried various decor pieces but he ignores them all except his tree and his small rock. I tried putting him on the larger rock with a bigger hide but he puffed up black beard and got mad until i put his tree back and his smaller rock lol in their normal spots. We live in upstate ny so its cold and snowy here. Nightime temps in his tank do not go below 69 to 72 on his cool side so although we bought a cermaic heat emitter (recommended by the pet store) we dont use it. We have spent literally THOUSANDS on this dragon to give him his best life (and we are not rich by any means..im on ssdi and she doesnt make much money at her full time job). We love him dearly and hope he lives a long happy life but a bearded dragon is NOT an easy pet! Think I finally got his setup right...he seems happy and ate 6 silkworms today, also eats his veggies. Pics show him on his much loved tree, his tank, and the lights as viewed from the inside top of his tank. Note: he has always had a great appetite, no signs of distress, limbs are straight. He needs his nails clipped but i have to work up to that...dont want to hurt him!
 

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Sadie

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Ok so I apologize for asking so many questions earlier! For background, my daughter took her sons (10 and 8 at the time) to Pet Smart for a pet they were begging for. 8 yr old got a Syrian hamster...easy easy pet. Older grandson loves reptiles so my daughter asked the guy what would be the easiest and healthiest reptile to care for. Guy said, I quote, "oh bearded dragons are the easiest. They live 12 to 15 years and you really dont have to do much of anything for them. Just buy this and this and this and you are all set. Feed them live crickets and offer vegetables and water. Well, we love reptiles so we did a lot of research on how to feed, calcium dusting, gut loading insects, etc. He was in a 40 gallon cage and they said that is the biggest cage hell ever need. He was about 2 or 3 months when they got him. They sold her a deep dome dual fixture with 75 watt heat bulb and the coil uvb. More research...we got a reptisun t5 5.0 . Well, he ate 50 to 60 crickets A DAY and would only eat live food, not the crap food they sell in the pet store. Upgraded to a 100 watt zoo med basking spot lamp. Got a single deep dome and got rid of the uvb coil, just use the t5 now. Turned a year in Dec. He is now in a 4'x 2' x2' which is about all that fits on the dressertop. He needed solid substrate because repti carpet wasnt working. Upgraded to a reptisun t5 high output 10.0 24" size. Needed 2 stick on themometers for ambient temps on warm and cool side. Needed a hide. Has a tree which he absolutely LOVES and will not give up! We are using a zoo med reptil basking lamp 150 watts. He has a water dish and a food dish for his veggies. He only gets organic collard greens, organic mustard or turnip greens, celery leaves as a little treat, red bell peppers, butternut and other squashes. His crickets are always calcium dusted but he has a new favorite...silkworms! They come in a can and he gobbles them even though theu are not a living insect. Mealworms are only an occasional treat and they are calcium dusted too. Cant do dubias because daughter cant get past the roach name. He is a nice size dragon, calm and happy and adjusting slowly to his larger enclosure. Ordered a new background for the outside back surface of his tank. Going out to store today to get him a probe thermometer and prob a solarmeter too. Have tried various decor pieces but he ignores them all except his tree and his small rock. I tried putting him on the larger rock with a bigger hide but he puffed up black beard and got mad until i put his tree back and his smaller rock lol in their normal spots. We live in upstate ny so its cold and snowy here. Nightime temps in his tank do not go below 69 to 72 on his cool side so although we bought a cermaic heat emitter (recommended by the pet store) we dont use it. We have spent literally THOUSANDS on this dragon to give him his best life (and we are not rich by any means..im on ssdi and she doesnt make much money at her full time job). We love him dearly and hope he lives a long happy life but a bearded dragon is NOT an easy pet! Think I finally got his setup right...he seems happy and ate 6 silkworms today, also eats his veggies. Pics show him on his much loved tree, his tank, and the lights as viewed from the inside top of his tank. Note: he has always had a great appetite, no signs of distress, limbs are straight. He needs his nails clipped but i have to work up to that...dont want to hurt him!
I am sorry you went thru all the hassle w/ getting the dragon set up but you still need one more thing- a digital probe thermometer - they are the most accurate for surface basking temps- is he actually drinking from the water bowl? Most do not - his poops will tell you if hes dehydrated- you can get live silk worms from here if you like www.reptilianarts.com your UVB needs to be in the tank-- distance 12-15 inches directly above the basking decor piece -- screens block 30% of the rays and 24" is too high for distance - if you need more help please post -- but it sounds like you are getting there -- you can find how to trim bearded dragon nails on you tube
 

Musicmanslady

Juvenile Dragon
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I am sorry you went thru all the hassle w/ getting the dragon set up but you still need one more thing- a digital probe thermometer - they are the most accurate for surface basking temps- is he actually drinking from the water bowl? Most do not - his poops will tell you if hes dehydrated- you can get live silk worms from here if you like www.reptilianarts.com your UVB needs to be in the tank-- distance 12-15 inches directly above the basking decor piece -- screens block 30% of the rays and 24" is too high for distance - if you need more help please post -- but it sounds like you are getting there -- you can find how to trim bearded dragon nails on you tube
Oh no he is not dehydrated...only drank water once since ive had him...pees just fine. Always white in his poops and poops never dried out.But i moved his water bowl into the spot where his rock used to be so I could use the rock more directly under the uvb and left the room to find him in the old rock spot with his feet in the water dish! Needless to say I put his rock back. He hates change! Im hesitant to mount the uvb in the tank because it is a 10.0 high output and his lowest basking decor spot is only 9 inches from the uvb light. Ugh. Im on my way to the pet store to get a probe as we speak.
 

Sadie

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Oh no he is not dehydrated...only drank water once since ive had him...pees just fine. Always white in his poops and poops never dried out.But i moved his water bowl into the spot where his rock used to be so I could use the rock more directly under the uvb and left the room to find him in the old rock spot with his feet in the water dish! Needless to say I put his rock back. He hates change! Im hesitant to mount the uvb in the tank because it is a 10.0 high output and his lowest basking decor spot is only 9 inches from the uvb light. Ugh. Im on my way to the pet store to get a probe as we speak.
It's crucial.he gets correct amount of uvb rays or he will develop health issues - get a different piece of basking decor if need be to get the correct distance - he will move if it's too strong but he needs to be offered the distances
 

Musicmanslady

Juvenile Dragon
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It's crucial.he gets correct amount of uvb rays or he will develop health issues - get a different piece of basking decor if need be to get the correct distance - he will move if it's too strong but he needs to be offered the distances
Thanks I am going to an exotic reptile specialist tomorrow to address everything. He already gave me a lot of good advice via phone.
 

Sadie

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Thanks I am going to an exotic reptile specialist tomorrow to address everything. He already gave me a lot of good advice via phone.
Ok please note some may not give good advice - thats all I can say -- if you have more questions please ask -
 

Musicmanslady

Juvenile Dragon
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Ok please note some may not give good advice - thats all I can say -- if you have more questions please ask -
Well using the digital probe gave me a pleasant surprise...the top of his tree is 113degrees currently. Where he is sitting now and the immediate surrounding area between 105 and 107. No wonder hes smiling haha. Crazy because the stick on one on the glass right next to his tree is saying 96 right now
So thanks for the digital probe advice! Now on to his uvb...tomorrows project.
 

Sadie

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3 Year Member
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Well using the digital probe gave me a pleasant surprise...the top of his tree is 113degrees currently. Where he is sitting now and the immediate surrounding area between 105 and 107. No wonder hes smiling haha. Crazy because the stick on one on the glass right next to his tree is saying 96 right now
So thanks for the digital probe advice! Now on to his uvb...tomorrows project.
Ok the 113 is too hot - can he move down to a lower temp? You don't want to burn him - the hottest it should be 110- most adults like temps 95-100- your getting ambient temps and those are good--
 

Musicmanslady

Juvenile Dragon
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Ok the 113 is too hot - can he move down to a lower temp? You don't want to burn him - the hottest it should be 110- most adults like temps 95-100- your getting ambient temps and those are good--
He moves down and doesnt sit on the very top except to sleep when lights are off. When he gets too warm he moves on down even further along the tree limb lol. It is 99 where he is currently sitting.
 

Sadie

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He moves down and doesnt sit on the very top except to sleep when lights are off. When he gets too warm he moves on down even further along the tree limb lol. It is 99 where he is currently sitting.
Ok that is good -- hes picked his basking temp
 

Musicmanslady

Juvenile Dragon
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102
I am sorry you went thru all the hassle w/ getting the dragon set up but you still need one more thing- a digital probe thermometer - they are the most accurate for surface basking temps- is he actually drinking from the water bowl? Most do not - his poops will tell you if hes dehydrated- you can get live silk worms from here if you like www.reptilianarts.com your UVB needs to be in the tank-- distance 12-15 inches directly above the basking decor piece -- screens block 30% of the rays and 24" is too high for distance - if you need more help please post -- but it sounds like you are getting there -- you can find how to trim bearded dragon nails on you tube
Update I LOVE the silkworms from reptilian arts and so does Kai! So healthy looking!
 

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