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Sick Beardie, please help

beardie mom

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Hello. I have a very sick baby who is about 4.5 months old. Up until Tuesday morning, he was normal, active, eating well, pooping normally, climbing on his tree thing, basking about half the day, etc. He eats either crickets or superworms in the evening and a bowl of salad in the morning. Basking temps are 100ish and the cool side is about 85 degrees.

Monday night, he was especially hungry and ate 5 superworms, which is a lot for him. Normally he would eat 3 or 4.

Tuesday morning, he ate his salad and then at some point in the morning threw it up. It was a big glob of wet salad. He was also quieter than normal. By late afternoon, he was just laying limp and I brought him to the emergency vet (regular vets were not able to get him in). They gave him a calcium injection, fluids under the skin and put him on an antibiotic and an antiparasitic. He had pooped twice that day, one of hte times runny, so they felt his stomach and said he wasn't impacted.

Wednesday, he just laid around all day, refused to eat. He still pooped a couple times though. He basked all day. I moved him off of his basking log once and he climbed back up there.

Yesterday (Thursday) we went to a reptile vet. That vet gave him more fluids and said to keep on giving the oral medications. He also suggested giving him banana baby food, .3cc four times per day. So I started doing that. At one point yesterday, he got up and walked around the cage but for the rest of the day, he literally just laid there limply. I moved him off of his basking spot a couple times to give him a break and both times, he cooled off a bit and then climbed back up on his own. He also had a tiny bit of runny poo.

Today (Friday), he's still mostly limp and needing to be force-fed the bananas. He has had two poos, both runny. The last one was off-white, sort of like urate but a lot (like a nickel-sized pile of goo with a pretty big puddle of liquid).

A local reptile breeder suggested soaking him in a half gatorade, half water bath for a while a few times per week. I was going to do that today but I'm concerned that he might be over-hydrated.

I don't know if we are just prolonging the inevitable or if this is a typical thing when they're sick. The vet had no idea what was wrong with him. He's in a large 40-gallon tank, has the right temps, and I can't imagine how he could have gotten a parasite (but he's being treated for that regardless, which is fine). All of his insects are feeder insects from the pet store. The salad he eats is organic bok choy, romaine, and/or swiss chard, so there are no pesticides or anything that could be an issue. Nobody in the house smokes or anything like that. No other pets go into the room he is in and we have no other lizards. He has a UVB light. And his tank is up on a bureau off of the floor.

Can anyone think of anything we can do to help him? I'm afraid to let him continue suffering if he's not going to get well but I also don't want to say he's doomed. The vet said that he's not super-optimistic mainly because he went downhill incredibly fast and for no clear reason. He agreed with the first vet that if he's pooping, he's not impacted.

Thanks for any help you can offer.
 

HoomanSlave

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What brand and type of UVB light are you using?

Weigh him regularly. For insects, offer black soldier fly larvae or dubia roaches if you can get them-superworms aren't the best for his calcium levels and won't provide him with many nutrients. You can also try waxworms or hornworms to put weight on him. Raise his basking temps by a few degrees, and clean the enclosure regularly.

For the bath, try using a made-for-reptiles electrolyte bath. Adding actual Gatorade or other electrolyte beverages can be risky because of the added sugar, flavors, and dyes.
 

beardie mom

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What brand and type of UVB light are you using?

Weigh him regularly. For insects, offer black soldier fly larvae or dubia roaches if you can get them-superworms aren't the best for his calcium levels and won't provide him with many nutrients. You can also try waxworms or hornworms to put weight on him. Raise his basking temps by a few degrees, and clean the enclosure regularly.

For the bath, try using a made-for-reptiles electrolyte bath. Adding actual Gatorade or other electrolyte beverages can be risky because of the added sugar, flavors, and dyes.
I'll see if my son knows the brand of light. Right now, he will not eat anything at all other than what we are force-feeding him. He is barely opening his eyes. But once he's better (assuming he recovers), we can definitely switch him to hornworms or dubia roaches. I'll look for the electrolyte bath, thanks!
 

beardie mom

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The UVB light is Zilla. I should say that we've had him since October and he's been absolutely perfect, energetic, friendly/tolerant of being handled, a great eater, etc. This is a very sudden illness and he went from doing wonderful to looking half-dead. :(
 

beardie mom

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Thanks for the recommendation. Could poor lighting be causing this? We want to get our husbandry up to snuff, of course, but the urgent issue is that he's very suddenly quite sick.

I think we might be looking for a miracle at this point. Poor little guy.
 

Sadie

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Please answer the UVB question -- Was a fecal done to warrant the medications prescribed also why was a antibiotic given --- I am thinking hes being over medicated ---
 

beardie mom

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Please answer the UVB question -- Was a fecal done to warrant the medications prescribed also why was a antibiotic given --- I am thinking hes being over medicated ---
We have a Zilla UVB. It's a tube light, not a coil.

No fecal test was done, I don't think... the emergency vet took him in without us (due to covid) but we were able to accompany him into the second vet (the exotics vet). The exotics vet said that he should be on both meds to cover all bases since he couldn't determine exactly what was wrong. He was limp before going on the meds, too.
 

Sadie

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We have a Zilla UVB. It's a tube light, not a coil.

No fecal test was done, I don't think... the emergency vet took him in without us (due to covid) but we were able to accompany him into the second vet (the exotics vet). The exotics vet said that he should be on both meds to cover all bases since he couldn't determine exactly what was wrong. He was limp before going on the meds, too.

We have a Zilla UVB. It's a tube light, not a coil.

No fecal test was done, I don't think... the emergency vet took him in without us (due to covid) but we were able to accompany him into the second vet (the exotics vet). The exotics vet said that he should be on both meds to cover all bases since he couldn't determine exactly what was wrong. He was limp before going on the meds, too.
Dragons will hide their illness for as long as they can - where did you get your baby? The T 8 needs to be in the tank w/ no cover over the bulb it is not strong enough to go thru the screen-- I want you to replace the zilla bulb w/ this Reptisun 10.0 T 8 it will go into your fixture-- do this ASAP-- I really think it's your uvb causing the issue- do you know if they did a enema? I am hoping not! It does not end up good for the dragon-- I am very unhappy w/ vets giving meds w/ out any type of diagnosis given -
 

beardie mom

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Could you attach a picture of him and the tank?
Here he is in the tank. He actually has his head up, which he hasn't really done all day. My son just soaked him for a few minutes so he's a little annoyed. :) He normally has a log to bask on but he pooped/peed on it so it needed to be washed and it's wet, so at the moment, he has newspaper wrapped around a few washcloths to bask on.
 

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Sadie

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Here he is in the tank. He actually has his head up, which he hasn't really done all day. My son just soaked him for a few minutes so he's a little annoyed. :) He normally has a log to bask on but he pooped/peed on it so it needed to be washed and it's wet, so at the moment, he has newspaper wrapped around a few washcloths to bask on.
 

beardie mom

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Dragons will hide their illness for as long as they can - where did you get your baby? The T 8 needs to be in the tank w/ no cover over the bulb it is not strong enough to go thru the screen-- I want you to replace the zilla bulb w/ this Reptisun 10.0 T 8 it will go into your fixture-- do this ASAP-- I really think it's your uvb causing the issue- do you know if they did a enema? I am hoping not! It does not end up good for the dragon-- I am very unhappy w/ vets giving meds w/ out any type of diagnosis given -
We got him from a reptile breeder/store. We can see if the local pet store has the reptisun.

I'm pretty sure he did not get an enema. That seems like something the emergency vet would have mentioned (and likely charged us for).
 

Sadie

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Please get the T 8 in the tank and you want the basking decor 6-8 inches directly underneath- this is crucial - I posted what you need w/ the bulb in my earlier post please- he needs basking temps 105-110 taken w/ a digital probe thermometer those two things are the most important things in that tank
 
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