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Mysterious 3-month tummy troubles - advice welcome!

hannaht

Bearded Dragon Egg
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Hi Beardie Community! I'm hoping you can help me solve the mystery of what's causing my little guy daily diarrhea since I took him home 3 months ago. There's a lot of info below for context, so thank you SO much in advance for any guidance or advice you may have! It's been quite the journey as I'm a first-time beardie owner and the vets and I are truly stumped.

When I first brought him home, he had a parasite (confirmed via fecal sample at an exotic pet vet, which we treated with ponazuril). A follow-up fecal confirmed it was out of his system (although I've read in a few threads you may need to test more than once to be sure). I just got his blood results back from last week's vet appointment and his uric acid levels are high. She thinks it could be from dehydration from the daily diarrhea, but that doesn't answer why this continues to happen. More details below:

Beardie: His name is Negroni and he's about 18 inches long. I purchased him from a pet store 3 months ago and they think he's around a year old. Even though I purchased him from a small, local exotic pet store, I understand now that this was likely my first mistake vs. buying from a breeder. He's just so cute - when I saw him, I fell in love!

Tank setup/lighting: 60 gallons, ceramic heat emitter at night (temps get down to a 70 to 80-degree gradient) with 160w uva/uvb/heat bulb during the day (up to 105 on his basking spot confirmed with 2 stick-on thermometers plus an infrared gun). His tank is on the floor and under a window, but as I'm checking the temps regularly I'm not sure this would be the cause.

Diet: Dubias + greens (collards, kale, bok choy, etc.) . We've tried squash + greens and no bugs for the past few days to see if that makes a difference, but alas it has not. I feed him 2 hours after the heat is on but he has diarrhea between 9:30a - 12p every day regardless of whether he's eaten yet or not.

Other symptoms: He's been a bit sleepier and less active the past few days, which could be from dehydration (I'm giving him daily soaks and spraying his greens to help with this) and/or because he's not eating bugs right now as a kind of food elimination test.

Curveball: When I first brought him home, he didn't poop for 4 days and his first poop was *completely* normal, so I know his body is capable of it. In addition, the two times he's been boarded when I was out of town, his first poops upon returning were also normal. This makes me think I'm missing something that might be wrong with his home setup.

If there's anything I'm missing that may be helpful, please let me know. I'm hopeful that someone in the community can solve this puzzle!
 

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Sadie

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Hi Beardie Community! I'm hoping you can help me solve the mystery of what's causing my little guy daily diarrhea since I took him home 3 months ago. There's a lot of info below for context, so thank you SO much in advance for any guidance or advice you may have! It's been quite the journey as I'm a first-time beardie owner and the vets and I are truly stumped.

When I first brought him home, he had a parasite (confirmed via fecal sample at an exotic pet vet, which we treated with ponazuril). A follow-up fecal confirmed it was out of his system (although I've read in a few threads you may need to test more than once to be sure). I just got his blood results back from last week's vet appointment and his uric acid levels are high. She thinks it could be from dehydration from the daily diarrhea, but that doesn't answer why this continues to happen. More details below:

Beardie: His name is Negroni and he's about 18 inches long. I purchased him from a pet store 3 months ago and they think he's around a year old. Even though I purchased him from a small, local exotic pet store, I understand now that this was likely my first mistake vs. buying from a breeder. He's just so cute - when I saw him, I fell in love!

Tank setup/lighting: 60 gallons, ceramic heat emitter at night (temps get down to a 70 to 80-degree gradient) with 160w uva/uvb/heat bulb during the day (up to 105 on his basking spot confirmed with 2 stick-on thermometers plus an infrared gun). His tank is on the floor and under a window, but as I'm checking the temps regularly I'm not sure this would be the cause.

Diet: Dubias + greens (collards, kale, bok choy, etc.) . We've tried squash + greens and no bugs for the past few days to see if that makes a difference, but alas it has not. I feed him 2 hours after the heat is on but he has diarrhea between 9:30a - 12p every day regardless of whether he's eaten yet or not.

Other symptoms: He's been a bit sleepier and less active the past few days, which could be from dehydration (I'm giving him daily soaks and spraying his greens to help with this) and/or because he's not eating bugs right now as a kind of food elimination test.

Curveball: When I first brought him home, he didn't poop for 4 days and his first poop was *completely* normal, so I know his body is capable of it. In addition, the two times he's been boarded when I was out of town, his first poops upon returning were also normal. This makes me think I'm missing something that might be wrong with his home setup.

If there's anything I'm missing that may be helpful, please let me know. I'm hopeful that someone in the community can solve this puzzle!
Pretty little guy-- are any of his limbs swollen I am assuming not since you didnt mention it - high uric acid levels usually mean gout but w/ them not being swollen I am not a vet but it could be dehydration - I recommend switching your staple feeder for now to either silk worms crickets or BSFL - I hate crickets they are stinky and a dirty feeder but dubias can cause the uric acid levels to get to high causing gout - what is the brand of MVB you are using? When people use just the MVB dragons usually do not get enough UVB especially sitting on the screen - screens block 30% of those rays - I recommend getting a long tube fixture like a Zoo Med w/ a Reptisun 10.0 T 5 bulb or Arcadia Pro T 5 12% bulb 24 watt or a Sunblaster Nano Tech w/ the Reptisun 10.0 T 5 bulb all 24 " fixtures - MVB's are great for heat but not so much UVB -- if you need links I can post them for you - too many baths will dry their scales out I recommend laying off them and start offering water on his nose and have him lick the water till he stops or moves away - has he been drinking in the bath? I can have Tracie chime in here she is the vet tech on the forum -- she can maybe offer some more advice as well --
 

hannaht

Bearded Dragon Egg
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Thank you for the thoughtful reply, Sadie! He doesn't seem to have swollen limbs yet (but I'll send another photo today as I'm not sure what that would look like). I'm using the Zoo Med Power Sun Mercury Vapor light. Should I buy the long tube fixture to have in addition to the power sun and ceramic heat emitter bulb I have?

Great suggestion re: the water! I had no idea it could dry out his scales. I'm also doing it daily because the diarrhea is messy and he also seems like he wants to be clean since he immediately runs away from it. He has never once tried to drink from the bath since I've had him.

I'm not thrilled about keeping crickets, but agree that I'll need to try those for now. TY again!
 

Sadie

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Thank you for the thoughtful reply, Sadie! He doesn't seem to have swollen limbs yet (but I'll send another photo today as I'm not sure what that would look like). I'm using the Zoo Med Power Sun Mercury Vapor light. Should I buy the long tube fixture to have in addition to the power sun and ceramic heat emitter bulb I have?

Great suggestion re: the water! I had no idea it could dry out his scales. I'm also doing it daily because the diarrhea is messy and he also seems like he wants to be clean since he immediately runs away from it. He has never once tried to drink from the bath since I've had him.

I'm not thrilled about keeping crickets, but agree that I'll need to try those for now. TY again!
The PS is a good MVB and yes I recommend getting a back up long tube fixture - I can post links for 3 good ones if you like- the ceramic heat emitter is good for night time temps falling below 65 -- if hes not actually drinking from the bath hes not getting water -- I have sent a message to Tracie she is usually on at night
 

Drache613

Juvenile Dragon
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Hello,

He is very sweet! The Powersun is a nice bright light & MVB light. It isn't particularly strong, but is
overall good. As Sadie recommends, adding a T5 tube bulb, with the Arcadia or Reptisun to be used
in combination with the MVB would be great!
Do you have a copy of the blood test results? If gout might be developing but there isn't really any
swelling yet, then it sounds like you should be able to start treatment before his physical symptoms
begin to manifest. You can get him started on black or tart cherry juice extract to help the kidneys
start flushing out.
Try using a plastic or dropper for help with hydration. Simply drop it onto the end of his nose to see if
he will lick some fluids that way.
Is he pretty active overall right now?

Tracie
 

hannaht

Bearded Dragon Egg
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Thank you, Tracie! I’ll try the dropper and tart cherry juice. He’s been more active the past few days. I borrowed my pet store’s probe thermometer and discovered his tank is getting way too cold at night (down to 66 in the cold side). I got another ceramic heat bulb yesterday and now the cold side is high 70s during the day. Today he has been totally insane, though. Head bobbing, black bearding, hissing and literally chasing me around the house for the past 2 hours. Nothing else has changed in his environment and my home is really quiet without any other pets, so I’m not quite sure what’s up. Do temp changes cause this? He’s never behaved like this for so long and I don’t think he’s ever hissed at me. Appreciate your insight!
 

hannaht

Bearded Dragon Egg
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Thank you, Tracie! I’ll try the dropper and tart cherry juice. He’s been more active the past few days. I borrowed my pet store’s probe thermometer and discovered his tank is getting way too cold at night (down to 66 in the cold side). I got another ceramic heat bulb yesterday and now the cold side is high 70s during the day. Today he has been totally insane, though. Head bobbing, black bearding, hissing and literally chasing me around the house for the past 2 hours. Nothing else has changed in his environment and my home is really quiet without any other pets, so I’m not quite sure what’s up. Do temp changes cause this? He’s never behaved like this for so long and I don’t think he’s ever hissed at me. Including photos of his legs as well and will add his blood results when I have them. Appreciate your insight!
 

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Sadie

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Too hot of tank temps can cause the odd behavior your getting w/ him hissing and aggressiveness -- if temps are normal in the tank its him stressing out - Blaze did the hissing / biting thing for a month or so maybe longer at 2-3 months old - I really had to work w/ him when he was at that age - hand feeding and only holding in the tank for 5 min at most -- he was terrible but he finally came around --
 

Drache613

Juvenile Dragon
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Hello,

Wow, he is sure testing the waters with you, being aggressive! How is he doing today?
It sounds like he is very hormonal, probably due to wanting to breed. Or, that is my guess
anyway. A lot of them become very hormonal in the early spring, to the early summertime.
Did you try the black or tart cherry juice for him yet?

Let us know how he is doing.
Tracie
 

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