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I am brand new here - have a couple of questions about our guy

kalena

Bearded Dragon Egg
3 Year Member
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Hey, I'm brand new to Beardies and to this site. I haven't introduced myself or posted pics, but I will! In the meantime, I have a few quick questions that I'm sure the experts can answer in a heartbeat...

We inherited a little male Beardie from my 13-yr-old son's friend. And by little, I mean LITTLE! He's about 2.5 years old, and only 8 inches long!! I bought a book on bearded dragons, but haven't had the chance to get through it yet. In a nutshell, he's in a 20-long tank, reptile carpet substrate, UTH stuck to one side (NO HEAT ROCKS), I alternate a UVB bulb, warm basking bulb, nighttime bulb at regular intervals. He has a cool side (75F) and a warm side (85F). We are feeding him crickets, mealworms and lettuce, all dusted with calcium and/or vitamins at regular intervals, and I'm going to try feeding him some of the frozen/thawed pinkie-mice that I feed my corn snakes. He has 24/7 access to lettuce and assorted veggies in a little dish in his tank. I feed him the good stuff in a separate little feeding tank every other day (I don't want the crickets and mealworms to escape and hide under his carpet or in his cave). If anything about my setup jumps out as totally wrong, please let me know. Now, here are my questions:

1. Some of his toes and the tip of his tail is missing - bad shed(s) in the past? I've got corn snakes, and missing tail tips indicate that.
2. Nobody was giving him any vitamins or calcium, and he was eating only crickets and lettuce. Could this be why he didn't grow?? I recently went to a reptile expo and had a heart attack when I saw the size of the bearded dragons there. I didn't even know they got that big! Will he ever get any bigger, considering that he hasn't gotten proper nutrients for his first couple of years? We'll love him regardless, but I'm just curious.
3. He eats his crickets/mealworms like a champ, but sometimes when he's done, he disappears for a day or two and just SLEEPS. Sometimes in his hide, sometimes out on his basking log. His color fades drastically during this time, and he won't eat. Then suddenly, BOING! He's up and around again. This doesn't happen EVERY time he eats, but many times. Is this normal?
4. He plays in his water sometimes. He has a pretty big water dish - he'll climb up his log, then JUMP into the water and sit for a few minutes (the log is only like 3 inches from the water). Then he crawls out and goes up his log and does the same thing again. I've seen him do this half a dozen times in a row! Like a kid doing cannonballs into a pool! It's certainly entertaining, but is it normal behavior?? Is he trying to cool off? His water is on the cool side of the tank.
5. Do Beardies like company? I've always thought that an animal is happier in captivity if it has a companion, but I know that's not the case with corn snakes. If you think he'd do better with a buddy, I'll get him one at the next reptile show.

He seems to be really healthy - very tame, happy to be held and carried around (or at least very tolerant of it!), eats just fine (except when he's in that "sleeping-stage"), uses all the climbing logs and basking areas he has. I'm still in the process of making sure we're doing everything right - so, it wouldn't surprise me (nor would it insult me!) if someone points out anything I might be doing wrong... Thanks all!
 

renich

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Hi and welcome to our forum! Hats off to you for saving this little guy. Wow! 8 inches long at 2.5 years old is very tiny for that age. Here are my thoughts:

1. Missing toes and tail are probably due to old injuries.
2. His lack of growth is probably related to too small of a viv for him. Food is definitely another reason too.
3. Well, dragons are dessert animals and they are used to having their food sources in rations. So, divulging in food and then not for a couple of days is normal.
4. That's great that he plays in his water. Some do and some don't.
5. Beardies are social creatures with humans, not with other beardies.

Some other points of interest.
1. I would get a larger viv.
2. Mealworms do not offer any nutritional value. I'd cut them out. Their outer shell can make it difficult to break down too.
3. The hot side needs to be around 95F for adults. The cool side should be around 85F.
4. Lights should be on a on/off schedule of 12/12 or 14/10 hours.
5. Add veggies to his diet. Here is our basic caresheet. In the middle, it lists various things to feed your beardie.
Bearded Dragon Care
6. What UV bulb are you using and when was it last changed?
 

corrine

Bearded Dragon Egg
3 Year Member
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Pinkies are also not recommeded for beardies. Lettuce also has no nutritional value. You can offer collard greens, mustard greens, turnip greens. Beautifuldragons.com has a good nutrition sheet with good stuff for beardies and how often they can be fed. Dragons need the uvb light so make sure that's left on through out the day. An easy way to get basking temps up is with a regular household bulb or a flood light. you may have to play with wattages to get correct temps.
 

kalena

Bearded Dragon Egg
3 Year Member
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OK, thanks to both of you! Bigger viv is on the shopping list. Temperatures definitely need to be raised - poor little guy, I was treating him like my snakes!! I have an "Exo-Terra Repti-Glo 10.0 UVB" bulb that I bought when we got him a couple of months ago. He gets about 8 hours per day of that (that doesn't put out much heat), 8 hours per day of basking under his warm bulb (which does raise the temp to 93 right over his basking rock), and 8 hours of red nighttime bulb. He came with a Zilla power strip with a day/night timer on it, but dang if I've been able to figure out how it works - LOL! I'll see to it that he gets a little more dark-time. He does get veggies - romaine lettuce (I know iceberg is worthless - even for humans), corn, peas, fruits - whatever natural goodies we have in the fridge - he enjoys them all, and has them available to him at all times. I just invested in a cricket-keeper along with cricket-food and water, so I'll make sure the crickets are well-fed for him. No pinkies. I'll check out Beautifuldragons.com. Well, he may have been a little uncomfortable, but at least I wasn't doing anything drastically wrong. These things are easy fixes. Thanks again!
 

zebraflavencs

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Hi there ! Welcome to the forum and our little corner of sanity...

Here is a great list to help you choose the diet for the fellow
Green for daily staples, and black for treats.. I tend to avoid the other colors, but do a read over and choose as you and this fellow likes.

http://www.beautifuldragons.503xtreme.com/Nutrition.html

Now, as for that glo, it really doesn't quite do the job for dragons.. a reptisun 10.0 tube is awesome !
Check out the store that is part of this site/forum for prices and shipping.
Also, try a higher wattage bulb for basking temps as well as bright white light.. I tend to use flood lights to brighten up and increase basking temps myself.

Hours of lighting 12-14
Temps for an adult measured by either a temp gun or a digital thermometer with probe should be:
Basking site- 100-105*F, warm side 95-85*f, cool side 85-75*F , over night temps shouldn't fall below 65*F.
You really might want to try without the red night time light.. as dragons do indeed see the colors red, blue and white.. This might be disturbing his sleep pattern.
You can find digital timers ( my saving grace on many days) at walmart or just about any hardware store.. just set it for the hours you desire, and turn it on .

You don't just have to offer crickets either.. certain roach species offer great nutritional value, no smell, little noise, easily bred, and.. little interference for care.
I use as a main staple Dubia Roaches... I get mine from Theroachguy.com.. Jason... Just tell him Janie sent you, and he'll get you a great deal starting and setting up too !

Welcome once again !
Janie
 

corrine

Bearded Dragon Egg
3 Year Member
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You will want to get a reptiSUN 10.0 tube bulb for your uvb light. You may also not need the red night light if his temps aren't falling below 65*f at night. The night light may disrupt his sleep. If you need night heat, consider a ceramic heat emitter. you can also feed veggies to your crickets. It will provide more nutrition for your dragon. baby cereal also works well to feed to crix and it's cheaper than the cricket food.
 

ladyknite

Bearded Dragon Egg
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I have only one thing.
Since it would be highly unusual for him to grow only 2-4 inches his entire life, i suspect he may be Rankins. His size would indicate that may be a possibility.
If you have a picture, I could tell you.
 

kalena

Bearded Dragon Egg
3 Year Member
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I tried to post a pic and I got:

"The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator. "

File is only 58 kb... I'll give it another shot in the morning.
 

Craiger

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I'd very much like to see this guy, too. Did kalena disappear on us?
 

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