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Dying Dragon Help

Chris.l

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I am posting this to see if anyone has any advice or experience with fluid buildup in the abdomen and beard. I am hoping the vet is wrong, or that the collective knowledge of the community could have a suggestion. About 10 days ago, I noticed my 14 month old dragon Sherlock's eyes were bulging out of his head to the point where he couldn't close them (more than the usual pre shed bulge). His beard also seemed a bit puffy, and he was a little lethargic. I don't know how gradual the condition came on because I was out of town for a few days.

I took him to the most reputable reptile vet in the area last week. He said that Sherlock had a lot of fluid buildup in the abdomen and throat, and drew approximately 20cc of it and sent it to a lab. The vet said that the fluid caused pressure behind his eyes. Sherlock was started on antibiotics, diuretic, and anti-inflammatory. He's been getting them all week. Over the weekend he looked even worse, with his eyes so swollen that they were pushed toward the back of the sockets and he couldn't see in front of him. Tuesday and wednesday he It seems like he was feeling a little better, and his eyes were less swollen but still abnormal. He's still been somewhat active, and eats several crickets if I hand feed him, but he can't really see to catch them himself. He hasn't shown interest in the greens I've offered, though he has always been good about eating them in the past. He's only defecated once in the past week, which is abnormal for him.

Last night the vet called with the results from the lab which indicated that the fluid wasn't caused by a virus or infection, and that it was most likely caused by the heart and/or liver, which indicates the onset of organ failure. He said that they didn't do any xrays because they are expensive and he wouldn't be able to see anything anyway because of the fluid buildup. He said that we were doing the only treatment available and should continue the meds until they run out next week, at which time he would do a follow up exam. He said that the prognosis is not good and he may need to be euthanized. Exploratory surgery is an option to look for a tumor or blockage but he said the probability of finding anything is very low and the expense would be high. He said that it doesn't sound like anything wrong with our husbandry and that it may be a genetic defect. The vet also said that he may hang on like this for awhile if he is drained of fluid periodically, but if he's as miserable as he looks and going to die anyway then i don't want to prolong it. He was purchased by my girlfriend at a very reputable reptile store in our area that gets it's beardies from local breeders, but I have no idea about the parentage.

Does anyone have any input or experience with this? I just want to make sure I'm doing everything I can. As far as husbandry, he's kept in a home made cage 18 inches by 36 inches, with a lacquered wood floor and no substrate except for occasional paper towels. I use a weak bleach solution periodically on the floor, and generally use paper towel to clean up his mess. Basking temp is about 110 deg, the floor of the cage at the opposite end is about 77. He's fed crickets and greens, with crickets dusted every couple of days with d3 calcium and vitamin supplement. He is misted or soaked periodically, but hasn't shown any interest in a water dish so I took it out.

Any help would be appreciated. At this point I'm not hopeful but maybe someone will know something.
 

Canicke

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Sometimes all you can do is love them and care for them. It doesn't sound like anything you did or did not do - it just happens. My sincere condolences.
 

PatsyB

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I agree with Canicke. It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong, these things just happen. I wish I had more advise to give you, I don't really have any knowledge of stuff like this so I can't really help.
 

Hdrydr31

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I also agree with the others sounds like your vet is telling you the truth, doesn't sound like anything you did as it all sounds fine. sometimes it just is nature :( best thing you can do is keep him comfy and love on him and when it seems the time it's time. I'm sorry your experiencing this :( it's soo hard when you love them so and they are not well.
 

Manicmermaid

Bearded Dragon Egg
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I am posting this to see if anyone has any advice or experience with fluid buildup in the abdomen and beard. I am hoping the vet is wrong, or that the collective knowledge of the community could have a suggestion. About 10 days ago, I noticed my 14 month old dragon Sherlock's eyes were bulging out of his head to the point where he couldn't close them (more than the usual pre shed bulge). His beard also seemed a bit puffy, and he was a little lethargic. I don't know how gradual the condition came on because I was out of town for a few days.

I took him to the most reputable reptile vet in the area last week. He said that Sherlock had a lot of fluid buildup in the abdomen and throat, and drew approximately 20cc of it and sent it to a lab. The vet said that the fluid caused pressure behind his eyes. Sherlock was started on antibiotics, diuretic, and anti-inflammatory. He's been getting them all week. Over the weekend he looked even worse, with his eyes so swollen that they were pushed toward the back of the sockets and he couldn't see in front of him. Tuesday and wednesday he It seems like he was feeling a little better, and his eyes were less swollen but still abnormal. He's still been somewhat active, and eats several crickets if I hand feed him, but he can't really see to catch them himself. He hasn't shown interest in the greens I've offered, though he has always been good about eating them in the past. He's only defecated once in the past week, which is abnormal for him.

Last night the vet called with the results from the lab which indicated that the fluid wasn't caused by a virus or infection, and that it was most likely caused by the heart and/or liver, which indicates the onset of organ failure. He said that they didn't do any xrays because they are expensive and he wouldn't be able to see anything anyway because of the fluid buildup. He said that we were doing the only treatment available and should continue the meds until they run out next week, at which time he would do a follow up exam. He said that the prognosis is not good and he may need to be euthanized. Exploratory surgery is an option to look for a tumor or blockage but he said the probability of finding anything is very low and the expense would be high. He said that it doesn't sound like anything wrong with our husbandry and that it may be a genetic defect. The vet also said that he may hang on like this for awhile if he is drained of fluid periodically, but if he's as miserable as he looks and going to die anyway then i don't want to prolong it. He was purchased by my girlfriend at a very reputable reptile store in our area that gets it's beardies from local breeders, but I have no idea about the parentage.

Does anyone have any input or experience with this? I just want to make sure I'm doing everything I can. As far as husbandry, he's kept in a home made cage 18 inches by 36 inches, with a lacquered wood floor and no substrate except for occasional paper towels. I use a weak bleach solution periodically on the floor, and generally use paper towel to clean up his mess. Basking temp is about 110 deg, the floor of the cage at the opposite end is about 77. He's fed crickets and greens, with crickets dusted every couple of days with d3 calcium and vitamin supplement. He is misted or soaked periodically, but hasn't shown any interest in a water dish so I took it out.

Any help would be appreciated. At this point I'm not hopeful but maybe someone will know something.
Unfortunately my baby just passed away today from the same thing. Doing research now so I can prevent my other babies from the same fate but it sounds like it's something we can't help. I saved all mine from this terrible breeding place in chico. My sweet Goob doesn't deserve the fate she got. But she was very loved and I held her all day yesterday. Just got put on meds so I had just got hope... cherish the time you have, make them comfy and I hope with all my heart they pull threw but be prepared. My heart it broken.
 

Julee1971

Juvenile Dragon
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I am posting this to see if anyone has any advice or experience with fluid buildup in the abdomen and beard. I am hoping the vet is wrong, or that the collective knowledge of the community could have a suggestion. About 10 days ago, I noticed my 14 month old dragon Sherlock's eyes were bulging out of his head to the point where he couldn't close them (more than the usual pre shed bulge). His beard also seemed a bit puffy, and he was a little lethargic. I don't know how gradual the condition came on because I was out of town for a few days.

I took him to the most reputable reptile vet in the area last week. He said that Sherlock had a lot of fluid buildup in the abdomen and throat, and drew approximately 20cc of it and sent it to a lab. The vet said that the fluid caused pressure behind his eyes. Sherlock was started on antibiotics, diuretic, and anti-inflammatory. He's been getting them all week. Over the weekend he looked even worse, with his eyes so swollen that they were pushed toward the back of the sockets and he couldn't see in front of him. Tuesday and wednesday he It seems like he was feeling a little better, and his eyes were less swollen but still abnormal. He's still been somewhat active, and eats several crickets if I hand feed him, but he can't really see to catch them himself. He hasn't shown interest in the greens I've offered, though he has always been good about eating them in the past. He's only defecated once in the past week, which is abnormal for him.

Last night the vet called with the results from the lab which indicated that the fluid wasn't caused by a virus or infection, and that it was most likely caused by the heart and/or liver, which indicates the onset of organ failure. He said that they didn't do any xrays because they are expensive and he wouldn't be able to see anything anyway because of the fluid buildup. He said that we were doing the only treatment available and should continue the meds until they run out next week, at which time he would do a follow up exam. He said that the prognosis is not good and he may need to be euthanized. Exploratory surgery is an option to look for a tumor or blockage but he said the probability of finding anything is very low and the expense would be high. He said that it doesn't sound like anything wrong with our husbandry and that it may be a genetic defect. The vet also said that he may hang on like this for awhile if he is drained of fluid periodically, but if he's as miserable as he looks and going to die anyway then i don't want to prolong it. He was purchased by my girlfriend at a very reputable reptile store in our area that gets it's beardies from local breeders, but I have no idea about the parentage.

Does anyone have any input or experience with this? I just want to make sure I'm doing everything I can. As far as husbandry, he's kept in a home made cage 18 inches by 36 inches, with a lacquered wood floor and no substrate except for occasional paper towels. I use a weak bleach solution periodically on the floor, and generally use paper towel to clean up his mess. Basking temp is about 110 deg, the floor of the cage at the opposite end is about 77. He's fed crickets and greens, with crickets dusted every couple of days with d3 calcium and vitamin supplement. He is misted or soaked periodically, but hasn't shown any interest in a water dish so I took it out.

Any help would be appreciated. At this point I'm not hopeful but maybe someone will know something.
Hi; we rescue & rehome; It Seems as tho his eyes got destroyed/burned by incorrect lighting or lighting thats too close to the Beardie or the temp is scorching hot, or shedding skin that got into his eyes. Do U have the PowerSun or any type of Mercury Bulb in his tank? If so remove it they are deadly and need to be 16 inches to 18 inches away from the Beardie if used and cannot be used with any other bulbs. This is the worst bulb to use because it burns and gets scorching Hot. If you are using one; remove it ASAP. Make sure the temp in the basking area/spot is 95-97; use a digital themmoter & place the probe on the basking spot and get an infrared gun from Home Depot to shine an inch away on the basking spot to monitor the temp; adults like it around (95-97) some like it at 98, but never any higher. Make sure u only have 2 bulbs the zoomed clear heat & the long UVB; many people place 3 heat lights or heaters which is deadly. Remove any colored or coiled bulbs ASAP; they burn a beardies eyes!!! Also NO lights on at night during bedtime only use a ceramic heat emitter in the winter which emits no light just warmth. Make sure the UVB light is 10 inches away from the Beardie or more and the heat light 14 inches or so away. Use the Zoomed CLEAR basking bulb for heat and the Reptisun 10.0 T5 for UVB; those are the best and correct lights to use. Replace the UVB every 6Mnths & make sure the length u order covers at least 70 percent of the tank beginning at the hot side so when he basks he’s getting UVB. Keep both lights on for 10-12 hours in the winter more like 10 and in the summer jeep both lights on for 12-14 hours more like 14, cuz they have more energy in the summer. Mist the beardie a few times a day and baths 2 per week in lukewarm dechlorinated water; buy Reptisafe if u dont have a water Filter system; it’s drops that remove the chlorine, which itches & dries out their skin. For now fix the lighting and get him to a new Vet ASAP.
 

BeardedDragonDude

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Hi; we rescue & rehome; It Seems as tho his eyes got destroyed/burned by incorrect lighting or lighting thats too close to the Beardie or the temp is scorching hot, or shedding skin that got into his eyes. Do U have the PowerSun or any type of Mercury Bulb in his tank? If so remove it they are deadly and need to be 16 inches to 18 inches away from the Beardie if used and cannot be used with any other bulbs. This is the worst bulb to use because it burns and gets scorching Hot. If you are using one; remove it ASAP. Make sure the temp in the basking area/spot is 95-97; use a digital themmoter & place the probe on the basking spot and get an infrared gun from Home Depot to shine an inch away on the basking spot to monitor the temp; adults like it around (95-97) some like it at 98, but never any higher. Make sure u only have 2 bulbs the zoomed clear heat & the long UVB; many people place 3 heat lights or heaters which is deadly. Remove any colored or coiled bulbs ASAP; they burn a beardies eyes!!! Also NO lights on at night during bedtime only use a ceramic heat emitter in the winter which emits no light just warmth. Make sure the UVB light is 10 inches away from the Beardie or more and the heat light 14 inches or so away. Use the Zoomed CLEAR basking bulb for heat and the Reptisun 10.0 T5 for UVB; those are the best and correct lights to use. Replace the UVB every 6Mnths & make sure the length u order covers at least 70 percent of the tank beginning at the hot side so when he basks he’s getting UVB. Keep both lights on for 10-12 hours in the winter more like 10 and in the summer jeep both lights on for 12-14 hours more like 14, cuz they have more energy in the summer. Mist the beardie a few times a day and baths 2 per week in lukewarm dechlorinated water; buy Reptisafe if u dont have a water Filter system; it’s drops that remove the chlorine, which itches & dries out their skin. For now fix the lighting and get him to a new Vet ASAP.
Just so you know this post is over 5 years old and the person you're replying to has not logged in since then.

@Manicmermaid, sorry to hear about your BD.
Very tough thing for sure.
You have my prayers.
 

Julee1971

Juvenile Dragon
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Just so you know this post is over 5 years old and the person you're replying to has not logged in since then.

@Manicmermaid, sorry to hear about your BD.
Very tough thing for sure.
You have my prayers.
Well maybe people will read and educate themselves!!!! The Beardie is prolly long gone by now. These people get dragons thinking it’s a car or dog which is soo Sad!! Simple zoomed for heat and reptisun 10.0 T5 for uvb ans replace the UVb every 6Mnths. No coiled or colored bulbs lots of veggies/greens alongside the crickets and Dubias; baths twice per week in dechlorinated water and calcium powder sprinkled 4 times per. Week once per day And herptivite once per week on a non calcium day.
 

BeardedDragonDude

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Well maybe people will read and educate themselves!!!! The Beardie is prolly long gone by now. These people get dragons thinking it’s a car or dog which is soo Sad!! Simple zoomed for heat and reptisun 10.0 T5 for uvb ans replace the UVb every 6Mnths. No coiled or colored bulbs lots of veggies/greens alongside the crickets and Dubias; baths twice per week in dechlorinated water and calcium powder sprinkled 4 times per. Week once per day And herptivite once per week on a non calcium day.
Well, yeah, the BD is probably gone now, seeing as it's been 5 years and it had been dying at that time...?
Not saying people won't, but at the same time if you came off less condescending you would probably help more people.

Plus, comparing a BD to a dog is a bit of an overstep, many people have more time and $ into keeping their dogs safe and well in a year than in a BD's lifetime.
Not saying that you shouldn't put time or money into a BD, you definitely should, especially time, but in all reality, you could have compared that to something closer, like a turtle or fish.
I'm not here to argue.
 
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