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Brumation nightmare!

donprec

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I had been active in this forum months ago. But then something happened with Precious.
She started getting very picky with eating. Only ate a few veggies, if they were hand fed to her. She didn't seem to be that interested in super or wax worms either (stopped crickets long ago).
Her cage is just a couple inches off the ground so I'd just open it and she'd be right out and off. She could go back in whenever she wanted to but she never willingly wanted to. She loved this arrangement! She would usually head right to the window.
But with the colder weather, it got to the point that I had to limit her time out to just a few mins because she'd always insist on going straight to the window when it was just too cold!
She would paw and climb at the cage door, giving us the most pathetic face, begging us to let her out. I think being forced to stay in the cage longer put her into a sort of depression.
Eventually, she started to hide in the cold dark corner underneath her hammock. Rarely she would come out on a branch for a little while but wasn't really trying to bask underneath the light.
She barely ate, wasn't even too interested in hornworms, her favorite treat! Although she had enough extra weight, there was obvious weight loss. Her normally constant smiling expression now looked so dejected and sad.
She would be nervous when we took her out of the cage and would run right back in on her own.
Strangest thing of all...she seemed to want nothing to do with us, almost like she was even scared of us. Precious...who was quite the cuddler and shared several obvious affectionate moments with us (despite those who insist reptiles don't comprehend affection). Now she would scramble in our hands to get away!
Sometimes I'd sit in front of her cage for an hour, just staring at her, trying to brainstorm where I went wrong, what could I change or do to make her happy again, trying to think what could be stressing her out.
This all went on for 4 months. I was heartbroken, I felt that I failed her, that she was unhappy with us and going downhill. I was starting to think the dog was scaring or stressing her out. Not that he ever had any contact with her, but I thought maybe his scent was intimidating her (we'd only had him a couple months when this started).
I even got to the point of talking to a close friend about possibly taking Precious if things don't get better.
That in itself was a testament. If anyone knows me, they'd know I believe your pet is family for life. But I actually thought that she was dying here and that she might do better with someone else.
I stopped coming onto the forums because it made me so sad, I just wanted old Precious back. She was such a strong presence in the family.
Finally, the weather started getting warmer and the first really warm, bright day came. I immediately put her in the window, in her favorite spot. She seemed a little shocked and on guard at first. Then...she started spreading out and basking. She spent 4 hours in that window until the sun went down, she was in heaven!
Would you believe everything changed almost overnight after that? She immediately started eating, she still basked in her cage until the lights went out and hasn't hidden in the dark since.
That next morning, she was fervently clawing at her cage door to come out. I cuddled and kissed her and she looked up at me with that old smiley face of hers...and I'll admit I started crying. I knew my little angel as back!
It's been about 3 weeks since coming out of that. Her coloring lost some of it's vibrance so we've been giving her extra vitamins and letting her pig out on whatever she wants so she'll get back to her original weight...she's almost there again.

So that was my very first experience with brumation...it was horrible! It was like she went missing and finally came back home again 4 months later.
We already knew how special she was but after going through that, we've been so grateful to have her back to normal, she's been so pampered and spoiled lately...and loving every minute of it!
I guess because she didn't go into brumation before, that's why I was so unsure if that's what she was going through at the time. Plus, I didn't realize it would take so long. Or how much it would change her whole personality and bother her!
At least if this happens again, I shouldn't get so stressed out wondering what's wrong, but I so despise brumation now!
Here are some recent pics after her ordeal. She doesn't quite look her best yet but she will soon enough:

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Sitting with mom outside

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This was her waving the sun good bye

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Trying to figure out how to get the door open.

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Next she'll be trying to get out of her vents

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Cuddling with mom last night. I missed my Precious cuddles so badly!
 

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yeah - I agree. I hate brumation, too !!!!! a lot !!!! so glad you didn't give up on her!!! I wondered where you'd been
 

Bobbi

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Awe, I would have been exactly the same as you! I'm dreading the day Bayne starts.
 

Elders

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Wow, what a story! Hello, I am new here since you've been gone. I have yet to experience brumation and to be honest I'm not very much looking forward to any of that. Precious looks amazing and you can tell she's a kind soul...must have been difficult trying to understand such a sudden change of character.

Glad to hear she is back to being herself again, and it's nice to meet you as well.

I like the mid-lick picture second from the bottom...my guy Odin is a little too rambunctious and my apartment is too unsafe for romp abouts...
 

CrazyLeopardGeckoLady

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I'm so glad your precious is back! I haven't dealt with brumation yet but I'm sure it's absolutely awful
I'm so glad you didn't give up on her, she's a special girl and I'm glad you got her smiling face back


-Maisie
 

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I am happy to hear that she is back and it was just brummation.. I HATE it too!! :( My Izzy has just started coming out her hide today! She has been slow since NOV!!! she never went out cold sleep she just would want to stay under her cool hide, she was not old enough nor fat enough to fully brummate so I kept taking her out and making her bask which would then make her want to eat... But I do know that come next time she will likely fully brummate and I'm dreading that time...
Super glad that Precious is awake now and as hard as the cycle is they are going to do it no matter what :( But at least now you know. I have been keeping a record of her weight, what she ate, and kinda what she would do so next time I can look back and have an idea of what to expect. A normal healthy dragon should not loose much weight at all during this process..
Glad to have you back as well.
 

Bobbi

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I don't understand much about the process I guess. If they do it for months at a time, how do they not lose weight?
 

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I don't understand much about the process I guess. If they do it for months at a time, how do they not lose weight?
It is different in every dragon that's the hard part lol When they are getting ready to go into brummation they start slowing down on their eating in prep. Their bodies just slow way down most sleep pretty solidly some will sleep for a few days then will eat alittle, then down again, some will sleep anywhere from weeks to months. you take them out and give them a nice warm soak once a week watching them to make sure they keep their heads above water, this gives them the opportunity to drink, poop if need be. Keeping an eye on their weight during the process is to me important, that way if she looses alot I can get her checked to make sure she's healthy. My Izzy was too young and didn't have enough fat stores to fully sleep.. But now she is so :( I'm not looking forward to a full brummation..
 

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I've been wondering where our Precious has been!!!! So glad she snapped out of if. A few of us have been dealing with goofy dragons this winter. Dexter still doesn't really know what she wants to do she still goes into her hide on cold days and then comes out on warm days.

How is Tequila?
 

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Hef woke up ready to party. He wants to be everywhere but in his house. He goes to look at Ladyfish and sits on the vibrating pump for her tank and just watches her then Seymore gets a visit which he's not into at all then he chin fights in the mirror. He's wearing me out. Next brummation will be a brumcation .

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donprec

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Thank you all for the incredibly sweet and warm welcome backs, I'm embarrassed of my horribly delayed response. It seemed like once I was relieved from stressing out over what was going on with Precious, a whole bunch of other things started falling apart! Some personal problems, family, my son just turned 12 and overnight I'm dealing with preteen drama.

I do have one question though. She's wrinkly and the wrinkles haven't gone away. She's soaking at least twice a week, more if she got dirty. She won't take electrolytes, refuses them. But does drink water from a syringe, always did...but sometimes that varies from nothing to 12 ccs. I'm assuming the wrinkles mean she's dehydrated?
However, she's actually gained weight to where she's more than what she was before. Her tastes have actually expanded to where she's eating stuff she turned her head to before.

You know what the brat did shortly after she came out of brumation? I'd bought some new superworms and was just about to pour the new bag of them into the container with the old ones when she comes bumbling about and knocks the whole container down while I'm still pouring the new ones! So they're all spread out but she's feasting on a good bit of them and I thought I managed to catch what she didn't.
Wouldn't you know, last week, over the course of a few days...I found 4 beetles! Not cool!! I contemplated keeping them and trying to raise my own supers but things have been so crazy, I don't have the time to take on a new project like that. Thanks Precious! :eek:

Pasty - Tequila has gone through so many names but we've settled on one of the nicknames, Mushy, because...he's just a big old mushball. He's now 28 inches and 1040 grams! He's just wonderful!
The baby, Duma, has now out grown Precious too, at 700 grams. Incredibly outgoing, sweet little cutie. Just turned a year old. Duma tends to be the eye catcher but...I think Mushy is magnificent :D
I'd been reading up on your updates on Bumble, he's adorable!
 

Elders

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Is Mushy a bearded dragon? I really want to see a 28" beardy! I like big reptiles and thought beardies only got to about 24" on rare occasions:d I'd love to see mushy if possible; must be a nice loozing dragon.
 

donprec

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Lol no! Mushy and Duma are Merauke Blue Tongue Skinks who joined the family after Precious.
This is Mushy:
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Duma:
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I could not believe we managed to catch this picture...I don't know if you can see her little tongue on my lip! But this is very typical of her behavior, she's so amazingly friendly. So weird since they said she was wild caught.
 

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Lol no! Mushy and Duma are Merauke Blue Tongue Skinks who joined the family after Precious.
This is Mushy:

Duma:

I could not believe we managed to catch this picture...I don't know if you can see her little tongue on my lip! But this is very typical of her behavior, she's so amazingly friendly. So weird since they said she was wild caught.

oh wow! look at those two!

I've always been interested in skinks but I am jumping in the beardy pond first before getting bigger lizards;

Amazing looking animals the pair of them!
 

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They are stunning!! I was thinking they were dragon's and I was thinking OMG that's a giant one.. lol
I love the pictures~~~
 

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Wrinkly skin could be a bit of dehydration, she looked good in the photos so it could just be the way she sits or something.

@Hdrydr31 and @Elders Believe it or not when she first got Mushy she and Precious were the best of friends! They used to do everything together, it was the cutest :) I can't believe how big they are now!
 

donprec

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Oh I'm glad she doesn't look dehydrated to you! Thank you!
I got my head chewed up a couple times about the pics of them together, basically about how I was endangering them if they ever turned on eachother...not by anyone from this forum. But I just decided I will never post pics of them together anymore.
They are very much still friends. And yes, I do believe Mushy is the big mush he is today all because of Precious.
They are different personalities now so they are not glued to each other like they used to be. He's more of a busy body than she is, she loves the window when Mush could do without it. But they find comfort in each other's presence and seek each other out as if to just say "ok, that's where you are, see ya in a few..."
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This ONE time they weren't out together, they acted like it was torture...between staring pathetically at each other or trying to scratch at the door. Neither moved from that area until Precious could come out again.
 

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Oh I'm glad she doesn't look dehydrated to you! Thank you!
I got my head chewed up a couple times about the pics of them together, basically about how I was endangering them if they ever turned on eachother...not by anyone from this forum. But I just decided I will never post pics of them together anymore.
They are very much still friends. And yes, I do believe Mushy is the big mush he is today all because of Precious.
They are different personalities now so they are not glued to each other like they used to be. He's more of a busy body than she is, she loves the window when Mush could do without it. But they find comfort in each other's presence and seek each other out as if to just say "ok, that's where you are, see ya in a few..."

This ONE time they weren't out together, they acted like it was torture...between staring pathetically at each other or trying to scratch at the door. Neither moved from that area until Precious could come out again.

Amazing picture; that's adorable....and I liked the, "ok, that's where you are, see ya in a few.." lol...

Some folks like to think they know everything; and while risk management is important; there are always exceptions to the rules...

They look like a great couple o' lizards!

I love how skink legs just don't look up to the task of hauling that tenderloin body around....lol....
 

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I think you know your animal's personality and you can tell when enough is enough for them. I let the dragons out when the cats are out but I watch them closely. If the cats are getting agitated then either the dragon goes back in the tank or the cat gets put into another room. If you've had your animals for any length of time you know their signs.
 

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