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Anyone recognize this beardie behavior?

Gwartham

Bearded Dragon Egg
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WARNING: LONG POST

Approximately 2 weeks ago I purchased this beardie from a local pet store. It was recently sold to the pet store with a batch of other citrus beardies, but this one was in quarantine due to it not eating. It seemed very stressed and the more I held him the more he seemed to calm down, so I decided to purchase him then and there.

As soon as I got him home I put him in a temp 40 gallon as I went and bought a new 4x2x2 enclosure and stand. I offered him a couple of mealworms which he immediately ate! The next day he started the behavior shared in the video. I immediately scheduled a vet visit with our local vet that deals in exotics. I showed him the video, he checked the beardies eyes nose and throat and checked the body for any possible breaks or abnormalities. His conclusion was there was no bacterial infection present, the throat was red so he didn't rule out a possible viral infection but did not feel that there was any need to do any more testing at the time.

I went back to the pet store where he was purchased and talked to one of the gals working there about the issue, at which point I was told by the gal that she witnessed another employee force feeding him a dubia that was way to large for him, and that it possibly tore up his throat, which is why the vet saw redness in the throat.

The behavior exists to this day still.

The beardie, which I have named Lizzy Borden after the 80's LA Band, will not take greens, will not touch hornworms, will occasionally take dubias, but will without hesitation take mealworms, which makes me worry if the breeder was feeding them superworms to speed up growth. I have recently began a regimen of mixing critical care, vitamins, and calcium into a slurry and force feed him 2 dubias that I drench in the slurry, followed by a hornworm for hydration. He seems to defecate every other day and no obvious signs of impaction.

Today I gave him his first bath because I felt he was dehydrated. I added electrolytes to his bath in hopes he would drink, which he did for almost a solid minute.
I am currently looking for another exotic vet to take him to, there aren't many in my area, so it might be another week before he is seen. Other then the obvious malnutrition and dehydration, he doesn't show any other signs of distress, is quite active, and is starting to bond.
Just curious if anyone has witnessed this behavior before that might help me lead to a answer.

Thanks in advance. I am currently preparing a bioreactive enclosure for him and want to make sure he is in good health before putting him in the substrate.
 

Sadie

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WARNING: LONG POST

Approximately 2 weeks ago I purchased this beardie from a local pet store. It was recently sold to the pet store with a batch of other citrus beardies, but this one was in quarantine due to it not eating. It seemed very stressed and the more I held him the more he seemed to calm down, so I decided to purchase him then and there.

As soon as I got him home I put him in a temp 40 gallon as I went and bought a new 4x2x2 enclosure and stand. I offered him a couple of mealworms which he immediately ate! The next day he started the behavior shared in the video. I immediately scheduled a vet visit with our local vet that deals in exotics. I showed him the video, he checked the beardies eyes nose and throat and checked the body for any possible breaks or abnormalities. His conclusion was there was no bacterial infection present, the throat was red so he didn't rule out a possible viral infection but did not feel that there was any need to do any more testing at the time.

I went back to the pet store where he was purchased and talked to one of the gals working there about the issue, at which point I was told by the gal that she witnessed another employee force feeding him a dubia that was way to large for him, and that it possibly tore up his throat, which is why the vet saw redness in the throat.

The behavior exists to this day still.

The beardie, which I have named Lizzy Borden after the 80's LA Band, will not take greens, will not touch hornworms, will occasionally take dubias, but will without hesitation take mealworms, which makes me worry if the breeder was feeding them superworms to speed up growth. I have recently began a regimen of mixing critical care, vitamins, and calcium into a slurry and force feed him 2 dubias that I drench in the slurry, followed by a hornworm for hydration. He seems to defecate every other day and no obvious signs of impaction.

Today I gave him his first bath because I felt he was dehydrated. I added electrolytes to his bath in hopes he would drink, which he did for almost a solid minute.
I am currently looking for another exotic vet to take him to, there aren't many in my area, so it might be another week before he is seen. Other then the obvious malnutrition and dehydration, he doesn't show any other signs of distress, is quite active, and is starting to bond.
Just curious if anyone has witnessed this behavior before that might help me lead to a answer.

Thanks in advance. I am currently preparing a bioreactive enclosure for him and want to make sure he is in good health before putting him in the substrate.
Please post a pic of the tank and lights- how old is the dragon?
 

Gwartham

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He appears to be approx. 6 months old, store was unsure.

He is currently in a 40 gal enclosure with a 125w bulb for basking and a arcadia 24w light kit for uvb.

Basking spot ranges from 100 on the low point and 110 at the high spot to allow him to find his sweet spot.

The only issue with this enclosure is its too small to get a good hot side/ cool side variance.

His new setup is a a Phailozoo 120 gal 4x2x2 with two basking fixtures and 2 arcadia 24w kits. I am in the process of setting up the bioactives and will be landscaping it this week.
 

Sadie

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Yo
He appears to be approx. 6 months old, store was unsure.

He is currently in a 40 gal enclosure with a 125w bulb for basking and a arcadia 24w light kit for uvb.

Basking spot ranges from 100 on the low point and 110 at the high spot to allow him to find his sweet spot.

The only issue with this enclosure is its too small to get a good hot side/ cool side variance.

His new setup is a a Phailozoo 120 gal 4x2x2 with two basking fixtures and 2 arcadia 24w kits. I am in the process of setting up the bioactives and will be landscaping it this week.
You only need one uvb - the 40 gallon is fine for now but the uvb should be unobstructed for good uvb exposure 12-15 inches directly above his basking decor- the same set up for the 4x2x2-- are you using a digital probe thermometer to get your basking temps? It sounds like you have the set up good but I am thinking he does have something in his throat- have you looked in there? I got 2 people looking at your post - I am hoping they respond here tonight and or tomorrow
 

Gwartham

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I appreciate the help!

Yah his current getup is one of them Thrive enclosures that have terrible grating on top, cant wait for him to be healthy enough for the new enclosure. I am using a infrared laser thermometer to test his basking temps.
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Sadie

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I appreciate the help!

Yah his current getup is one of them Thrive enclosures that have terrible grating on top, cant wait for him to be healthy enough for the new enclosure.View attachment 37658
Ok get your uvb in the tank or place it width wise over him w/ the screen half off so he's getting full exposure of the rays - I see stickons for temp gauges those give ambient temps only- you need a digital probe thermometer- 95-100-
 

Sadie

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I have 2 digitals that I have gotten since that photo and use the laser for checking temps in his cage daily.
Ok good this is accurate temps then and this is what starts his digestion - I would not feed anymore mealworms for now - let's see what Tracie says she's a vet tech on the forum and she's usually on late at night
 

Gwartham

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Yah I have abstained from mealies as they don't provide much nutrition. The fact is its the only thing that he will eat on his own concerns me that he was either raised on nothing but mealies or supers.

Currently he is being "force" fed 2 small dubias and a large hornworm every other day that have been dipped in my slurry I make of critical care, vitamin, and calcium. I do not force it into his gullet I only open his mouth far enough for him to take the bug on his own and then let him chomp em.

I am not very keen on him not eating greens and also am not keen on force feeding them to him either.
 

Sadie

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Yah I have abstained from mealies as they don't provide much nutrition. The fact is its the only thing that he will eat on his own concerns me that he was either raised on nothing but mealies or supers.

Currently he is being "force" fed 2 small dubias and a large hornworm every other day that have been dipped in my slurry I make of critical care, vitamin, and calcium. I do not force it into his gullet I only open his mouth far enough for him to take the bug on his own and then let him chomp em.

I am not very keen on him not eating greens and also am not keen on force feeding them to him either.
Ok let's see what Tracie recommends - the small dubias should not have got caught in his throat but I think you said someone force fed him a large dubia? That too 6 months he should be able to handle those as well - I am at a loss here - let's see what Tracie and the other person I reached out to
 

Drache613

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Hello,

It appears he either has something possibly lodged in his throat or he aspirated some water in his bath.
As far as feeders, I always err on the side of caution when it comes to the size being fed. They can choke or aspirate on insects that are too large. I prefer to feed slightly smaller insects for just that reason to avoid impaction & or choking/aspiration issues.
For now, try to keep him a little warmer overnight, to help boost his immune system in the case he did aspirate some water. Let us know how he is doing.

Tracie
 

Gwartham

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I've decided based on how long this has been going on to go ahead and schedule him for another vet appointment a few towns away that has a good reputation for tomorrow. I will let ya guys know how it turns out.
 

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